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« Reply #1 on Jun 3, 2009, 6:59pm » | |
Duke,
Do you have one of these or do you know anyone who does? It is a pretty interesting rifle and cartridge combination. I have researched a little on it since your initial post and there are a couple on Guns America. The ammo is pretty costly, but it would certainly be a great conversation piece at the range. Thanks for the post.
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« Reply #2 on Jun 3, 2009, 8:53pm » | |
I'm playing around with getting one. The ammo is not that much if you cast your own.
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« Reply #3 on Oct 25, 2009, 9:15am » | |
I am in the process of getting one from Cabela's as I have $1200.00 + in points at their store , I live 92 miles from them so I must make order from phone ,then when it arrives go for it , I will be letting you all know everything about it when I get it in my hands and have shot it . concho
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« Reply #4 on Oct 25, 2009, 3:56pm » | |
I have one of these guns, and I make my own ammo for it. The brass is pretty stiff in price, about $ 3.00 each from Buffalo Arms. I load mine with 14 grains of Trail Boss powder, a large rifle primer, and cast a 340 grain rnfp from a Lyman mold. I want to take this thing moose hunting here in Maine this year.
recoil is light with the heavy weight of this gun... and since I'm going to ride my horse, I'll let him lug the gun around in the scabbard for me. I'll post some pics if I get to nail one.
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« Reply #5 on Nov 3, 2009, 1:59pm » | |
cast a 340 grain rnfp from a Lyman mold
Please reply mold # for above , I am almost there to get mine from Cabela's , Never heard of trail boss powder ? where do you get it ? Thanks concho
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« Reply #6 on Nov 3, 2009, 7:50pm » | |
The molds, brass, and reloading dies can be found online at Buffalo Arms. It's where I got mine. Trail Boss is an IMR powder. If you have to order it, the price will kill you ! It's expensive with the haz mat shipping fee. You can order it from Midsouth Shooter;s Supply.
Basically you figure out how far down into the brass your projectile seats. Then you fill to that point with Trail Boss, without tamping it down or compressing it. Weigh that powder charge, then dicide by .7 to get the starting charge. This info is found in the Hodgdon Manual I think, I may need to go back and read it again to make sure that's where I got the info from.
Anyways... Trail Boss is supposed to fill cases in black powder cartridges up enough to help eliminate so much air space.
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In 1876, the Winchestr Repeatig Arms Company introduced the Model 0876 at the Philadelphia Centennial, celebrating the anniversary of the Declaration of Independence from British rule. The 1876 was chambered in much more powerful hunting cartridges than the 1873 model. Those living on the frontier welcomed it, for this was where grizzlies frequently dined on settlers and large plains game required long range shooting to place meat on the table. The Model 1876 was the first big game repeater and would become the favorite hunting rifle of one of the greatest of all American outdoorsmen, Theodore Roosevelt. The Cimarron imported Uberti 1876 is the first made since this model was discontinued in 1898.
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In 1876, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the Model 1876 at the Philadelphia Centennial, celebrating the anniversary of the Declaration of Independance from British rule. The 1876 was chambered in much more powerful hunting cartridges than the 1873 model. Those living on the frontier welcomed it, for this was where grizzlies frequently dined on settlers and large plains game required long range shooting to place meat on the table. The Model 1876 was the first big game repeater and would become the favorite hunting rifle of one of the greatest of all American outdoorsmen, Theodore Roosevelt. The Cimarron imported Uberti 1876 is the first made since this model was discontinued in 1898.
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In 1876, the Winchester Repeating Arms Company introduced the Model 1876 at the Philadelphia Centennial, celebrating the anniversary of the Declaration of Independence from British rule. The 1876 was chambered in much more powerful hunting cartridges than the 1873 model. Those living on the frontier welcomed it, for this was where grizzlies frequently dined on settlers and large plains game required long range shooting to place meat on the table. The Model 1876 was the first big game repeater and would become the favorite hunting rifle of one of the greatest of all American outdoorsmen, Theodore Roosevelt. The Cimarron imported Uberti 1876 is the first made since this model was discontinued in 1898.
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« Reply #10 on Nov 3, 2009, 11:26pm » | |
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« Reply #12 on Nov 4, 2009, 5:29am » | |
That is great Barbi ! and thanks Mule for the input .
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« Reply #13 on Nov 4, 2009, 7:42am » | |
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Barbie There is Uberti's Chart for bore and twists , I can't get it to copy so I could use photo bucket and place the open page here . your statement above for grove conflicts with their chart !
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« Reply #15 on Nov 4, 2009, 12:00pm » | |
I have the chart from cimmeron, Uberti's bore and grove twists it says go to cimmeron and maybe you can get it to work ?
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« Reply #17 on Nov 6, 2009, 12:20pm » | |
Yes Ma'am, thanks for posting the links for everyone. I was too lazy I reckon. Sorry. But the mold by Lyman I was referring to drops the boolit at around .515... I think for the .56 Spencer guns. I use an ACWW mix that has a little more lino mixed in simply because that's what I had available. So they come out a bit lighter than the 350 grains as advertised. I push them through a .512 sizer die.
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« Reply #18 on Nov 6, 2009, 6:34pm » | |
I am confused  The chart at Cimerron shows the bore and groves for the 50-95 smaller than you are making bullets for ! I tried to get the chart put in here but I can't do it , Please go to cimerron and on their home page at left bottom see bore and twists, click it open and see the charts for all their calibers .
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« Reply #19 on Nov 6, 2009, 9:06pm » | |
Yes Sir, I see where it says the bore is .500 and the grooves are .507 I been casting bullets a while, and tend to fit them tight to the barrel inside. It cuts way back on the chances of leading. I know my .30-06 is a .308 groove, but I cast and shoot .314 in it. It might run the pressures up only slightly over the ones I could cast to .310 or even .312, but not enough to hurt anything. At the pedestrian speeds I shoot at it's OK I suppose. Here's the info for a mold from Buffalo Arms specifically for these guns. I couldn't get the photo to come through, but you'll see they cast .512 ". A lot of guys will load and shoot as dropped from their molds. Based on this, I size and shoot .512 myself. I reckon if I wasn't lazy, I'd slug the bore on this 76 myself. As it is, I just went by the available info and sized to .512.
OTHER sites talk about using .510 " in the 76 repros... I reckon a lot depends on how you cast your bullets. How hard the alloy is... how fast you push them, etc. I ain't an expert by any means ! I'll admit to that. I just been shooting cast lead a long time -- but what works for me might not be best for you. And vice versa. Depending on what I load for depends on if I mix lead in the WW to soften the alloy or add tin, or linotype to harden them. Sometimes I heat treat the bullets to make them very hard so I can shoot them really fast. Sometimes I use gas checks, sometimes I don't... just depends on what caliber I load and shoot for. Also how fast a velocity I'm pushing. On some of my loads I actually use a filler like Cream of Wheat to take up space in the case between powder and boolit. THAT gets a little bit tricky, but the pressure used to push the whole mess out of the barrel gets you some extra velocity. ie in my .30-30 I shoot 18 grains of 5744 powder and 10 grains of filler. My LEE mold 170 grains actually weighs about 177 grains with my alloy and the weight of grease in the grooves and a gas check. The extra 10 grains of filler is like shooting a 187 grain boolit, higher pressure = more velocity. Just got to watch for pressure signs ! The filler seals the bore against the hot gasses and protects the boolit from leading the bore.... sort of like a sabot.
Since the 76 is a toggle link gun, I advise against any hotrod loads in them. They just ain't as stout as the later locking systems in Winchester type leverguns. I doubt I'll feed it any fillered loads.
To further confound things, sometimes I cast the projectiles way undersized then wrap them in paper patches to get them up to proper diameter. THOSE paper patched bullets can run the same speeds as copper jacketed bullets.
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« Reply #20 on Nov 7, 2009, 4:36am » | |
Mullie Thank you for all that input , That is super info !
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« Reply #21 on Nov 7, 2009, 7:07am » | |
Glad to be of some help. Like I said though, I ain't an expert by any means. Working up load data ain't rocket science at all. Anybody can do it with some careful observations. A chronograph is invaluable to load data. In older guns I try to duplicate the factory velocity as close as I can without pressures getting too high too quickly. I avoid ball powders in old guns for that very reason -- sharp pressure spikes and not a lot of velocity gains.
Then again, some lever guns can be hot-rodded a little like the M1886 and M 1892 because of their strong locking mechanism. I hot rod loads in my Guide gun Marlin somewhat as long as I stay within 40,000 psi.
Have fun with your 76 ! I been hunting deer with mine lately. Gun season opened in Maine this Halloween.
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« Reply #22 on Nov 7, 2009, 3:19pm » | |
Does anyone have any input about Chaparral Arms rifles 50-95 lever actions 1876 ? I read about them and they have a 1in60" twist so the max bullet wieght is 350 Gr they say ! I would think much less but don't know ? any input as to quality and performance appreciated . Thanks concho
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« Reply #24 on Nov 7, 2009, 4:36pm » | |
This is from Chappy's website :
Caliber 50-95
Type of case
Chaparral cases
Correct rim thick (max)
0,062 (1,57 mm)
Correct diameter of bullets
0,513
Maximum total lenght of ammo
2,255 (57,28 mm)
Head diameter
0,627 (15,92 mm)
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Kemira 110 22 grs, IMR 4198 28 grs
Type of bullets
RN
Bullet weight in grain
375 grs
History of 50-95 caliber
The largest calibre for the Winchester Model 1876 "Centennial" rifle. Rifles of this calibre were sometimes called the “Cat Gun” due to the fact that many of them were used in Africa and India on lions and tigers.
The short 300 grain express bullet had a reputation of delivering a tremendous blow up close on soft skinned game, but was also known to loose it’s velocity quickly at extended ranges due to it’s fat and stubby bullet shape.
Rifles have a barrel twist rate of approximately 1 in 60”, so it is unlikely that bullets heavier than 350 grains will stabilise.
BARB : Ma'am, I don't think blackpowder and a 500 grain bullet would be safe in the 76. The original designation was .50-95-300 Express. In most old guns the Express meant a lighter weight bullet to gain a little in velocity. Until the 1886 came out all Winny leverguns were in pistol calibers. This was OK for a while, but Winchester tried to make a bigger version of the 73 which was a toggle link locked gun. They had nothing that would handle the .45-70 pressures, so they " fudged " it with the .45-75 with a lighter bullet than the standard 500 grain one that came in .45-70 at that time.
.50-95 wasn't the biggest caliber Winchester put in their lever guns. The 1886 came out in .50-110 300, and then later reduced the charge and increased bullet weight to create the .50-100 - 450 and the .50-105 - 350.
ONE OF THESE DAYS I want to rebarrel and rework a new made Browning 1886 to this chambering. WHY ? Just to say that I have one, of course !
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« Reply #25 on Nov 7, 2009, 5:01pm » | |
Sorry Barbie !! I am confused by your statement !!!
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« Reply #26 on Nov 7, 2009, 5:07pm » | |
And again Thank you Mullie !
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« Reply #27 on Dec 3, 2009, 7:56am » | |
CENTENNIAL MODEL ?
I like the rifle but.
As I understand it the Centennial Winchesters were all 45-75, 28" round barrel, first ones had no dust cover, and there was no caliber marking since the Centennial model were all the new introduced caliber 45-75, which was exclusive to and for the new 1876 Winchester celebrating the Centennial of the USA.
To make a new 1876 model and call it a centennial doesn't seem right when it's not what was presented for the Centennial Celebration. Please correct me if my history is wrong .
I have a original 1876 Winchester Centennial serial number 2XX.
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« Reply #28 on Dec 3, 2009, 3:19pm » | |
Dec 3, 2009, 7:56am, Bill Weddle wrote:......
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« Reply #29 on Dec 4, 2009, 2:43am » | |
Dec 3, 2009, 7:56am, Bill Weddle wrote:CENTENNIAL MODEL ?
To make a new 1876 model and call it a centennial doesn't seem right when it's not what was presented for the Centennial Celebration. Please correct me if my history is wrong .
I have a original 1876 Winchester Centennial serial number 2XX. |
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When dealing with reproductions, do not expect them to correctly label or identify anything. And the "histories" they publish with the descriptions are just to sell the friearm. I believe what you post about the original "Centennial Model" is correct, I will look in my Winchester book over the weekend.
As for the misinformation, look at how many 1851 models are offered in brass frames or in 44 caliber. Colts did not produce anything like that origianlly. Same with the variety of barrel lengths. Colts would do special orders but they were quite rare.
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